A bill put forward by the state of Nebraska, hoping to impose further limits on a woman's right to choose, has the Cornhusker state once again embroiled in debate, this time over abortion. The proposed Abortion Pain Prevention Act seeks to address the issue of late-term abortion by making the procedure "illegal after the 20th week of pregnancy...because of some medical evidence that a fetus can feel pain at that stage of gestation."
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National Right to Life spokeswoman Mary Spaulding Balch said, "This bill is about recognizing that the state has an interest in an unborn child who is capable of feeling pain." If the law passes, Nebraska will be the first state to ban late-term abortion, "based on the controversial notion that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks."
Dr. Jean Wright, an anesthesiologist specializing in Pediatric Critical Care Medicine, offered an illuminating metaphor in congressional testimony."[A]n unborn fetus after 20-weeks of gestation, has all the prerequisite anatomy, physiology, hormones, neurotransmitters, and electrical current to close the loop and create the conditions needed to perceive pain. In a fashion similar to explaining the electrical wiring to a new house, we would explain that the circuit is complete from skin to brain and back."
Well of course the baby feels pain, but the pro-abortion group doesn't want to heat that!
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One wonders, does the Hippocratic Oath grant dispensation to doctors to ignore the fact that at 20-weeks, unborn babies breathe and swallow? Do some obstetricians and gynecologists feel morally justified, in light of "no legitimate scientific information," to execute children with four full layers of epidermis, including ridges for fingertips and layers that form palms, feet and future fingerprints?
If there is even one scintilla of likelihood that fetuses experience any pain during abortion, shouldn't those whose vocation is to bring children into the world err on the side of sparing human suffering?
Although no one disputes that at 17 - 19 weeks of gestation a baby can hear its mother's voice and move around -- pro-choice America still question the extent of the ordeal a 20-week fetus experiences when being suctioned or burned during instillation saline abortion. Harvard Medical School anesthesiologist Roland Brusseau told the "Omaha World-Herald that the topic was ‘complicated and controversial' [because] when a fetus undergoes a medical procedure in the womb...doctors usually use an anesthetic."
What an innovative idea! If the infliction of undue torment is a concern for women committing murder, maybe forced miscarriage advocates can circumvent the effect of the Abortion Pain Prevention Act by proposing anesthetizing unwanted infants, in utero, before forging ahead with dismemberment. What's more, an anesthetization proposal could serve to alleviate maternal guilt by ensuring doomed offspring expire by way of pain-free execution.
We uthenize animals before we kill them, makes sense to uthenize these poor babies before they're murdered. But to do that, pro-lifers would have to admit babies feel pain, and we KNOW they won't.
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uthenize these poor babies before they're murdered
Murder has always been illegal. Abortion is not murder want to try again without all of the BS.
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This is stupid. Late-term abortions are performed in cases where the infant is not viable and the mother's health is in danger. Late-term fetus' were WANTED by their parents and the parents are devastated as it is. Now you want the mother to die too?? Aborting a fetus after a certain age is extremely dangerous, and only done for medical reasons. All the abortions the anti-choice people are really worried about, the elective "I just don't want the lil' rug rat" kind, will still take place.
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If anyone thinks that ALL woman who have late term abortions solely because their health is in actual immediate danger or because the baby "isn't viable" is either incredibly naive or in total denial.
For me it's isn't about if the child can feel pain or not. Although anyone with even half a heart wouldn't want an infant to suffer. For me it's about the fact that the baby is alive. He/she can voluntarily move, swallow, hear and -recognize- (which means cognition is present) his/her mother's voice, etc. Add to that the fact, yes I said fact, that this child can feel pain and react to it and you what you have here is a living being!
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If anyone thinks that ALL woman who have late term abortions solely because their health is in actual immediate danger or because the baby "isn't viable" is either incredibly naive or in total denial.
If anyone thinks women carry a pregnancy for 6 months and then just wake up one day and say "Meh, I changed my mind...scrape it out!" is either incredibly naive or in total denial. Late term abortions are extremely rare. 99% of abortions are NOT late term.
what you have here is a living being!
Animals are living beings. Fully formed living beings that can suffer and feel pain. Are you a vegan? If not you are causing the suffering of hundreds of animals on a daily basis. Enjoy milk?? The cow cries for days after it's calf is taken away from her, the same day it is born, so it can be fed formula because the milk she produced for her child goes into YOUR breakfast cereal. I'm far more concerned about the suffering of fully formed fellow animals than doomed, deformed fetuses.
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kaviaq, I have to agree with what you're saying here. And unfortunately women don't know about the fetal deformities before they cross the 20 - 24 week threshold. Imagine planning your pregnancy, getting the nursery together and finding out that your unborn baby will not live more than a few hours if it doesn't die inside you before that. Then you have to make that most terrible decision to put your health at risk or abort this fetus. You schedule your surgery at the abortion clinic, because Catholic hospitals won't do this surgery. When you get there, you are greeted by protestors who know nothing about your situation and scream and yell horrific name at you. At this point, you are lucky your state legislature hasn't gone completely off the reservation and made this life-saving surgery illegal because some people can't keep their beliefs out of your life. I know because this is what happened to my younger sister about two years ago. She would never have had an abortion, if it hadn't been needed to save her.
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare.
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"...an anesthetization proposal could serve to alleviate maternal guilt by ensuring doomed offspring expire by way of pain-free execution."
Oh yes, let's worry about maternal guilt. We wouldn’t want maternal instinct to hamper anyone's feelings about killing their unborn child.
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Let's say you have a couple that's continually "not ready" or "doesn't feel like it right now", and they have 6 abortions in a row.
For the #4 abortion, they have an anesthetic for the "fetus" before the "procedure".
At what point in time is #4's life worth more or less than the other 5? Perhaps the couple "feels better" about getting rid of #4, since the others were "so tough".
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We wouldn’t want maternal instinct to hamper anyone's feelings about killing their unborn child.
I have no maternal instincts, I don't even like kids. Luckily I had comprehensive sex-education and access to birth control, so I've never been pregnant. Want to stop abortions?? Start educating children.
Oh yeah, and MIND YOUR OWN UTERUS.
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"Luckily I had comprehensive sex-education and access to birth control, so I've never been pregnant.
Yes, I agree. The world is a much better place because of it. On behalf of a grateful nation, thank you for minding your uterus.
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the world is a much better place because of it.
Well, at least some poor little kid doesn't have to grow up with a mother who doesn't like children. I wasn't so lucky. I come from a long line of child-hating women. At least I care enough about kids to NOT have one.
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Genetics has some curious and fascinating results doesn’t it?
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We wouldn’t want maternal instinct to hamper anyone's feelings about killing their unborn child.
A friend of mine who just had her first child belonged to a pregnant women's message board. She told me of one of the members who, already having three prematurely born but surviving children after a diagnosis of "incompetent cervix", continued to get pregnant and subsequently deliver - despite cerclage (sewing the cervix shut), bedrest and whatever other indicated treatments - four or five more premature babies who were either stillborn or who died shortly after birth.
Explain to me why this woman shouldn't feel just as guilty as you think other women seeking a late-term abortion, even with an "anesthetization proposal" should? Tell me whether you believe these wanted babies did not suffer before they died. Show me any new "pro-life" legislation based on stopping this sort of idiocy. If you can't, convince me that intent has nothing to do with this or any similar legislation.
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Contraception women! this is a first world and you are educated (maybe) set your self free! Get the tubes tied and don't get pregnant. Arbotion, arbotion......that's not the only solution unless your baby is in danger or your self. Women can get free contraceptions why allow it, your not in Dafur where you're the "hungry-mans" property.
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Let's make sure all health insurance companies cover contraceptives with as low of a co-pay as possible. For some people that $30-$40 per month makes a big difference, especially if you don't currently have a steady partner.
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Get the tubes tied and don't get pregnant.
LOL, another problem in this country. I know plenty of young woman who want to get sterilized, but (as usual) no one trusts them to make decisions about their own bodies, "You'll change your mind once you meet a man who wants children" they are told. I couldn't get sterilized when I was younger, even though I have never wanted children and still don't (at just under 40). But I could get my first husband a vasectomy for FREE. When HE was 23 years old. RI State pays for vasectomies for uninsured males. Isn't that nice?? I couldn't find a doctor willing to sterilize ME until I was 29, and by then I didn't have any insurance...but no free surgery for me...no,no, I'm a girl and can't be trusted. If you have already had your requisite two children you can get the surgery, but not until you've fulfilled your contractual obligation as a brood mare. Sickening sexism in this country.
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Sometimes it doesn't even get done after you've had your two. I worked with Dawn, I'm the benefits coordinator for a trucking company. She and her husband Craig had a little boy and when he was around two they decided they'd like to have another child. So, Dawn got pregnant, she had terrible problems and they weren't sure she'd go full-term. At the beginning of her pregnancy Dawn had our company insurance and was seeing one of the two ob/gyns at the small town hospital. Her husband has changed jobs and his insurance is cheaper so they switch to his work policy.
At the beginning of her pregnancy Dawn had our company insurance and was seeing one of the two ob/gyns at the small town hospital. Dawn, Craig and female doctor have agreed that since Dawn will be having a C-section, they will have her tubes tied at the same time. Since they're are only two ob/gyns serving the only hospital, you'd think they'd both be covered by the new insurance company, right? Wrong. She has to go to Dr Quack, who won't tie her tubes because HE doesn't believe in it. Nevermind, they can't really afford another baby, that they've decided it's best for their family to have the boy and the girl and that's good enough. NO Dr Quack gets the final say.
When she got back from maternity leave, she came to my office to ask about getting back on our insurance so she can see the first OB again and get her tubes tied. Now we don't have open enrollment and you just can't change back and forth without a change in circumstance, death, divorce, job change, etc. But I did write a letter to the small town hospital for her. I wrote that since she was already there, and the insurance had already paid for the operating room, anithesiologist(sp), recovery room and hospital room, she was NOT going to pay for them to have her tubes tied, since the doctor they employed wouldn't do it as previously scheduled. They basically agreed and she has her tubes tied and the hospital has made arrangements that Dr Quack does his job and another surgeon will step in for the tubal ligation. No extra appointments needed anymore.
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Name of this seed is misleading - partial birth abortions are illegal in every state in the US. Late term abortions do not automatically equal partial birth abortions.
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